Dwarkesh Patel interviews Noam Brown on multi-agent AI, math progress, and alignment

Dwarkesh Patel's new episode with Noam Brown covers multi-agent systems, Navier-Stokes, and what recent math progress suggests about recursive self-improvement once AI research is automated.

The discussion also addresses how to tell whether models are actually aligned before recursive self-improvement begins, including the internal/external model gap and whether chain of thought is degrading.