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Greg Brockman says OpenAI's fluid dynamics paper is technically unbelievable but understandable

AIGreg Brockman quotes a mathematician's thread arguing that OpenAI's blow-up solution paper combines convex integration with a physical fluid instability in a way with no precedent. Brockman says the paper is beyond what a human could have produced but not beyond human understanding, and that several groups of PDE experts say they more or less understand it.

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The quoted thread explains which mathematical techniques the OpenAI paper combines, helping readers judge where its fluid dynamics result sits relative to prior work.

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“On a technical level, the paper is unbelievable, maybe beyond what a human could have come up with but not beyond human understanding”

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Since I'm now blocked by bluey from replying to this thread, I answer here by quote tweet the openAI construction has more to do with convex integration than anything else. In convex integration, the oscillations are typically built by hand and the iteration procedure creates wild weak solutions. The non-uniqueness construction of Albritton–Brué–Colombo used an unstable vortex to split solutions apart. The Córdoba–Martínez-Zoroa singularities amplify vorticity across scales by strain. In the openAI paper, a fluid instability is clever made so that the flow itself generates the oscillations: they grow by drawing energy from the background shear. The Reynolds stress then becomes the force that creates the collapsing smooth vortex. Using a physical instability to create the stress in this way has no precedent, and it is what produces a smooth force rather than a merely rough one. Some on these ideas are in the literature (e.g. Leibovich-Stewartson 1983) but the way they are combined is definitely insane and definitely nowhere in the literature previously. I also don't know of anyone suggesting that convex integration would play a role in the creation of a blow-up solution like this. On a technical level, the paper is unbelievable, maybe beyond what a human could have come up with but not beyond human understanding: there are several different groups of pde experts working on understanding it who say that they more or less understand now. I expect digestions soon td;lr: anyone saying that this OAI result is unsurprising is bullshitting sorry!
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Original title: “On a technical level, the paper is unbelievable, maybe beyond what a human could have come up with but not beyond human understanding”